Colt did this to confuse us, ,  because they refused to mark their revolvers S&W for the popular 38 S& W cartridge. Colt Combat Unit Commander VS Dan Wesson Vigil Commander. It then becomes very versatile as you can not only use it in that gun, but also in any .38 Specials or .357's you may some day obtain. Now, let's say a S&W owner, used to their looser standards of cylinder lockup, buys a Colt. Brass for this .38-44 does not exist. Scopri la programmazione settimanale di Genius-Colt vs Wesson (Armi) Siamo spiacenti ma "Genius-Colt vs Wesson (Armi)" non è in programmazione durante la settimana, di seguito puoi trovare la programmazione passata. With all the knowledge this site has to offer I figured this would be the best place to pose my question. So, in some circumstances, you might be able to get the Smith and Wesson round to chamber in a lightning, but there is no reason to do so. Help me decide! .38 S&W uses a .360" bullet. Season 1 | Episode 4. 40. Although The High Road has attempted to provide accurate information on the forum, The High Road assumes no responsibility for the accuracy of the information. You could cast your own, but depending on when it was made you might be able to use the same bullets used in .38 Special. .38 Short Colt will work just fine if you want a sub load, and you can always go with Long Colts. Hollow base bullets are out there but expensive and rare. The round came back to the forefront in the form of the new sport of … Keep in mind that the all stainless Dan Wesson's have had some issues with galling, an issue you won't have with any Colt, nonetheless I'd spring for the Wesson in the blink of an eye, the factory service has been superb, and in the event you experience galling you can have the pistol finished in ceracoat or hard chrome, though the latter will build up an already very tight slide to frame fit. This question came up on another site, guy has a .38 Colt Lightning and I wondered if .38S&W would also work. .38 Short Colt looks very similar to .38 SW, but they are not the same cartridge. You can run .38 Short Colt in it. I wrote to S&W and asked, and they told me you could. Smith & Wesson offered the 45 Colt chambering in their N-Frame revolvers as well. .38 Short Colt made a little longer is .38 Long Colt. Sam Colt invented the revolver as we know it, offering the first one for sale in 1836. Rye Miles #13621, January 30 in SASS Wire. Otherwise, they both feature 6″ barrels and full-sized frames. .357 Magnum made a little longer is .357 Maximum. No idiot mark on the DW. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by stinger 327, Nov 27, 2016. He goes and shoots it a bit, and the hand (which probably has a bit of wear already, as he bought it used) is approaching the normal replacement interval. but I'd expect a better lockup for that kind of money, A Python if good shape has no movement in the action at full lock up. share. .38 Short Colt will work just fine if you want a sub load, and you can always go with Long Colts. The S&W round will not chamber the newer pistol, but it will chamber in my older one, if tightly. But if you don't have a gun where you MUST use it, then I really don't see the point to it. As is, they’re visually distinct. CAS - BMW Motorcycles I have a Colt Match Target 6" and a Colt Huntsman 4", also a S&W 41 with both 5" and 7" barrels and a S&W Model 46 with 5"sport barrel and 7" barrels, all four guns shoot a lot better than I do now at 77 years old. I run 150 grain .358" hollow base bullets in both guns to good effect. Granddaughters I own 3 or 4 Colts and 1 Kimber, they all work and shoot well. It was .38 Special loaded up to what would be .357 Magnum pressures, and led to the creation of the Magnum cartridge. .38 S&W made quite a bit longer, that is to say the case being the same length as the cylinder in a S&W New Model 3, with the bullets loaded entirely inside the case, was a special target load known as .38-44. "American Genius" Colt vs. Wesson (TV Episode 2015) cast and crew credits, including actors, actresses, directors, writers and more. Eventually though they were brought back in. Regulators. And I do. .38 Long Colt made a little longer is .38 Special, .38 Special made a little longer is .357 Magnum. As is obvious to those of us with a functional sense of sight, the two guns we’re comparing are almost identical. available, there really is NO advantage to shooting a .38 LC. Prior to the creation of .357 Magnum, there was something called .38-44. Storia La nascita e i primi prodotti. 5 Best Guns in the World (Smith & Wesson, Colt and Glock Top the List) by Kyle Mizokami One of the best handguns in the world wasn’t even available … The newer one has the tighter, .357" bore. Zero, nada, zilch, other than I have seen several that after a steady diet of full power loads shot themselves loose. How does a Colt Python and a Dan Wesson Model 15-2 (pre-1980) compare? The invention of the perfect revolver pits Samuel Colt and Daniel Wesson in a race for patents that will forever revolutionize the firearm industry. Shoot the common stuff in modern guns. The Python has a very long action or hammer arc which allows tuning to reduce the trigger pull to very low figures in double action. Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by Quincy12, Mar 3, 2010. I think the Common load is a 38 Colt for Cowboy Action shooting is the 38 Colt Long. Colt LE6920 vs. S&W MP15 Sport II. Colt vs. Wesson Go inside the first true “arms race” as the invention of the perfect revolver pits Samuel Colt and Daniel Wesson in a race for patents that will forever revolutionize the firearm industry. Just to add a bit of confusion; 38 S&W and 38 S&W Special are different cartridges. This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies. All information is provided "as is" with all faults without warranty of any kind, either express or implied. There’s nothing compact about these brutes.The grips are the other major variation. Throw in .38-44 and things get really confusing. Close. He checks his gun, and finds that the cylinder has just the slightest amount of movement when the trigger is back, and half of his S&W's longitudinal travel. Horace Smith e Daniel Wesson fondarono la loro azienda nel 1852 a Norwich, Connecticut, con l'obiettivo di commercializzare una pistola con meccanismo di ripetizione a leva che utilizzasse una cartuccia autocontenuta (che comprendesse cioè polvere, palla e innesco). The old one has the larger .375" bore. Both Colt and Smith & Wesson experienced failures early on. So, in some circumstances, you might be able to get the Smith and Wesson round to chamber in a lightning, but there is no reason to do so. Accuracy is not so good. shooting, hiking, hunting, fishing, building, gun smithing, wood working. Yeah, the rifling twist is different and even the cylinders turn in direction directions, but in the end it matters little. Hollow base bullets are out there but expensive and rare. Since .38 spl can easily be loaded down to minimum power requirements with light bullets now commercially. It is my impression that there is less barrel flip. I have two Lightnings. The older cartridge's name was derived from the fact that it was a .38 being chambered in a gun designed for a .44. Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Me, I have guns chambered for it, so it was worth doing. Ruger AR556 vs. Colt M4 vs. Smith & Wesson MP-15. The .38 Smith & Wesson Special, also commonly known as .38 S&W Special, .38 Special, .38 Spl, .38 Spc, (pronounced "thirty-eight special"), or 9x29mmR is a rimmed, centerfire cartridge designed by Smith & Wesson.It is most commonly used in revolvers, although some semi-automatic pistols and carbines also use this round. If they’d had the same finish and grips attached, I doubt many of us could pick them apart at any distance. The Colt Official Police is a medium frame, double-action revolver with a six-round cylinder, primarily chambered for the .38 Special cartridge, and manufactured by the Colt's Manufacturing Company.Released in 1908 as the Colt Army Special, the revolver was renamed the "Colt's Official Police" in 1927 in order to better market to law enforcement agencies. I’ve decided to buy either a NEW S&W 629 or a NEW Ruger Redhawk. Only if you have an revolver or two that is actually chambered for it. Someone says the S&W case is wider. The S&W's have good press and may be your best logistical choice, but all said, I would choose the original, given your criteria, and that makes it a Colts .45. I didn't want to post my question in the Colt or Dan Wesson section because I thought I might get slightly biased opinions :biglaugh: I can get a new Colt Wiley Clapp or a used (~150 rds) Dan Wesson Valor (stainless) for about the same price. Neither The High Road nor any of its directors, members, managers, employees, agents, vendors, or suppliers will be liable for any direct, indirect, general, bodily injury, compensatory, special, punitive, consequential, or incidental damages including, without limitation, lost profits or revenues, costs of replacement goods, loss or damage to data arising out of the use or inability to use this forum or any services associated with this forum, or damages from the use of or reliance on the information present on this forum, even if you have been advised of the possibility of such damages. Is that the main difference? New Revolver, Smith & Wesson VS Ruger? Brass will cost more. I want to get an AR and am deciding between the 2. The old Python is blued. Hi,  38 S&W is also known as 38 Colt New Police. The other was made in 1902. The Colt Lightning was chambered for .38 Long Colt. Samuel Colt (/ k oʊ l t /; July 19, 1814 – January 10, 1862) was an American inventor, industrialist and businessman who established Colt's Patent Fire-Arms Manufacturing Company (now Colt's Manufacturing Company) and made the mass production of revolvers commercially viable.. Colt's first two business ventures were producing firearms in Paterson, New Jersey and making underwater … Here is a link that I think is pretty good, regards, Mike   https://www.guns.com/news/2011/08/25/the-other-38s-short-long-and-everything-in-between. I shoot the .38 Long Colt in my open tops. I've found some material comparing the two, but most of what I find just says that the Colt is constructed with better material. Yep, according to what’s been posted the .38 SW is slight larger than a .38 spl. Now, if you have a gun that is chambered to .38 LC, you are stuck with loading that old cartridge, but you shoulda known that when you bought that old gun. Then there is a 38 Colt Long and 38 Colt short. The Wesson has a very short hammer arc. It has nothing in common with the more well known pre-.357 Magnum cartridge other than the name. Brass is available. All Episodes (8) Next. SASS Regulator. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. The 686 is stainless. Powered by Invision Community. By Firelands Peacemakers,Tusco Long Riders, Ohio Valley Vigilantes, Sandusky Regulators, Brown Twp. Brass is available. https://www.guns.com/news/2011/08/25/the-other-38s-short-long-and-everything-in-between. Colt vs. Smith & Wesson revolvers? Previous. CAS, shooting of any kind, music, baseball, My kids & Some claim you can create it by cutting back .357 Maximum brass, but I have to wonder why go to the trouble when you can run .38 S&W in guns chambered for this caliber. Bar 3 Ranch Dog. TV-14 | 42min | Documentary, History | Episode aired 15 June 2015. It will not be like the Colt. Colt Combat Unit Commander VS Dan Wesson Vigil Commander. I am not expert, but I believe that the .38-44 was more powerful than a .38 Special +P. Here we look at some of the differences and just have some fun with both. Mike Colt and Smith & Wesson tried to compete with each other in the late 1800s by offering newer, more innovative revolvers to capture the lion’s share of the market, but then, in 1899, S&W unveiled its first .38-caliber K-Frame — the Military & Police. Is 38 Long colt worthwhile as a CAS round or is it better to just stick with 38 Special? When revolvers ruled, the big argument was over Colt vs Smith & Wesson. NRA Life, NRA Life,LSFSC-Life, CVV, BB3-Dooley Gang # 20, TSRA Life, Buffalo Range Riders, High Desert Drifters, Rio Grande Renegades, Sqaw Butte Regulators, Oregon Trail Rough Riders. That first Paterson was a five-shot, cap-and-ball revolver. If you want a shooter, get the Dan Wesson ... if you want to collect Pythons, there's nothing wrong with that. One of them is an antique made in 1880 something. November 14, 2016 ODU Admin Handguns Comments Off on Colt vs. Smith & Wesson on Revolvers. I bought the Colt MT 6" in 1952 when I graduated from High School and it … This requires a heavier trigger pull for ignition reliability. I had no idea! I think Goody's post explains the difference. colt python vs dan wesson 715, dan wesson 357, dan wesson 715 357 mag vs colt python 357 mag, dan wesson 715 or colt python, dan wesson 715 revolver versus colt python, dan wesson 715 v colt python 357 magnum shootout, dan wesson model 715 vs colt python, Colt vs. Wesson. NSCA super veteran. By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. Posted by 2 months ago. 3 generations in SASS 36 comments. Heck, he thinks, it's still a lot tighter than his Smith so it must be fine to keep shooting it. Alls I'ze know is 38 Short Colt will chamber in Sawmill Mary's Uberti Cattleman in 38/357 and 38 S&W won't. 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